Talk:Clean Hands/@comment-173.89.3.203-20130426203519/@comment-1696527-20130510092849

I just did as well. I got zeros across the board (bodies discovered, hostile kills, civilian kills), both boxes checked on every summary (killed no one, not detected), was never spotted (if it went higher than two I loaded quicksave), never killed anyone (non-lethal on all targets), "Very Hard" difficulty, did not speak to Granny Rags (the way to her blocked in sewers), completed all side quests (including Slackjaw) that were not Granny Rags and Kill the Torture (I left him unconscious), used the advanced arc tower to knock out everyone, killed wolfhounds (not detected by any of them), rats, and river krusts, and never clicked on "replay mission" (only loaded autosaves and quicksaves). I got Shadow and Just Dark Enough but not Clean Hands nor Ghost. This is on Steam so the game is current.

FantomBlaze's comment (unless 1.2 broke it) may invalidate this theory: The trend seems to be that you must do, at minimum, the first Granny Rags side quest ("Gentleman Callers") to unlock Clean Hands and Ghost. If the Slackjaw/Granny Rags encounter doesn't occur, both achievements are unattainable. Could someone please confirm/deny this and edit both achievement pages if confirmed?

Another theory: That final Slackjaw/Granny Rag encounter has an Outsider shrine that is unattainable. Maybe skipping an Outsider shrine locks the achievement?